When you’re in the entertainment industry, it’s hard to take everything that happens to you seriously. This is doubly so when you work in the world of super heroes, comic books and geek-centric media. So was the case when Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice co-writer, David S. Goyer was invited to talk, along with several other screenwriters, on a podcast known as Scriptnotes. Unfortunately, what Goyer had to say rubbed a few people the wrong way. Apparently, claiming She-Hulk is just The Hulk’s fuck buddy and reworking Martian Manhunter’s origins didn’t exactly fall on the diplomatic side of things. Read on to hear what Goyer had to say.
When the various scriptwriters involved in the podcast were asked to come up with ideas about how they would adapt particular comic book personalities to film or television, The Hulk was one subject of discussion. Eventually, the subject changed to the big, green meanie’s female analog – She-Hulk. When the podcast’s host, Craig Mazin, and Goyer went on a bit of a rant about her sexuality, however, some words were exchanged that caused fans to bristle.
Craig Mazin: The real name for She-Hulk was Slut-Hulk. That was the whole point. Let’s just make this green chick with enormous boobs. And she’s Hulk strong but not Hulk massive, right? … She’s real lean, stringy…
David S. Goyer: She’s still pretty chunky. She was like Chyna from the WWE.
Mazin: The whole point of She-Hulk was just to appeal sexistly to ten-year-old boys. Worked on me.
Goyer: I have a theory about She-Hulk. Which was created by a man, right? And at the time in particular I think 95% of comic book readers were men and certainly almost all of the comic book writers were men. So the Hulk was this classic male power fantasy. It’s like, most of the people reading comic books were these people like me who were just these little kids getting the shit kicked out of them every day… And so then they created She-Hulk, right? Who was still smart… I think She-Hulk is the chick that you could fuck if you were Hulk, you know what I’m saying? … She-Hulk was the extension of the male power fantasy. So it’s like if I’m going to be this geek who becomes the Hulk then let’s create a giant green porn star that only the Hulk could fuck.
While Goyer most certainly simplifies the character, it’s pretty apparent he doesn’t really know much about her. It looks more like he was just running with the joke that Mazin was throwing out there rather than specifically trying to be a She-Hulk hating prick. Still, some people weren’t happy with what he had to say.
Goyer went on to shove his foot further into his mouth when the subject of Martian Manhunter came up:
“How many people in the audience have heard of Martian Manhunter?”
<light applause and cheers from the audience>
“How many people that raised their hands have ever been laid?”
Sure, Goyer just bought into the generic geek stereotype, but that’s pretty much a given no matter what level of comic book media you’re sitting at. Some may be offended, but those of us that remember the old days have learned to shrug it off.
Where Goyer really went wrong, however, was when he was asked about how he would bring the character of the Martian Manhunter into the DC cinematic world:
“Well, he hasn’t been rebooted but he’s a mainstay in the Justice League. He can’t be fucking called the Martian Manhunter because that’s goofy. He can be called Manhunter… The whole deal with Martian Manhunter is he’s an alien living amongst us… So he comes down to Earth and decides, unlike Superman who already exists in the world now, that he’s just going to be a homicide detective… So instead of using super-powers and mind-reading and like, oh, I could figure out if the President’s lying or whatever, he just decides to disguise himself as a human homicide detective. Dare to dream!”
“I would set it up like The Day After Tomorrow. We discover one of those Earth-like planets… So maybe like… we get the DNA code from that planet and then grow him in a petri dish here… He’s like in Area 51 or something and we’re just basically… doing biopsies on him. Then he gets out and he’s really angry and he fucks She-Hulk.”
Was Goyer crass? Yes. Should he have perhaps thought more about what he was saying, whether or not he was on an irreverent podcast or not? Probably. Are his ideas about Martian Manhunter fucking stupid? Definitely.
So while some may get offended that Goyer compared She-Hulk to a giant, green porn-star, I’m personally more offended by his idea of overwriting the Martian Manhunter’s origin. Oh well. I guess everyone has their breaking point.
What say the Nerd Readers? A kick in the face for Mr. Goyer? Or is this just the sort of crap that goes down when a bunch of geeks get together and start speculating on things at random?