Remember that time the Clash of the Titans remake came out just a couple of months after Avatar convinced Hollywood that it became the highest grossest movie of all time because it was in 3-D? Well, the man behind Clash says the rushed post conversion 3-D in his film says it sucked.
I’ll let that sink in.
While talking to The Hollywood Reporter, Louis Leterrier, who’s doing press for his new film Now You See Me, discussed how he was “literally thrown under the bus,” and how the studio twisted his arm in its decision to convert the film to 3-D in post-production was made by the studio brass. “At one point it was like, ‘Yeah, Louis chose the 3D.’ And I was like, ‘No, guys, I didn’t choose the 3D. I actually told you it’s not working. I couldn’t control it. I said don’t do it.’”
As for what happened after that…
It was famously rushed and famously horrible. It was absolutely horrible, the 3D. Nothing was working, it was just a gimmick to steal money from the audience. I’m a good boy and I rolled with the punches and everything, but it’s not my movie.
That was a bold statement for Leterrier to make… more than four years after Clash of the Titans came out. But at least we have official confirmation from someone in the know that, yeah, they made a boo-boo converting Clash to 3-D in post. C’est la vie.
Comic book and movie fans love the most recent version of Marvel‘s big green gamma powered machine, the Hulk, but it’s had an abysmal movie run in its past. Ang Lee’s Hulk was embarrassingly terrible while Louis Leterrier’s The Incredible Hulk delivered a bit more – thanks in part to Edward Norton, but Marvel Studios and Universal Pictures were both unimpressed with their final box office totals.
Now that we live in a post-Avengers world, we’ve seen what a proper Hulk can act and look like thanks to Joss Whedon, Mark Ruffalo and the many hours of work the wizards in the visual effects business did. With such praise about every aspect of the character’s execution, the Hulk series that ABC and Guillermo del Toro have been “developing” for ages should be a breeze to get going, right?
The movie and television site Screen Rant spoke with Industrial Light and Magic’s Jeff White, one of the Visual Effects Supervisors for The Avengers, and discussed the challenges Guillermo will most likely face for a series based around a different/younger Hulk and Bruce Banner:
“I think we’d have to have a lot of Banner. You know I think from beginning to end we got much faster at doing shots. We learned a lot about the process and about how to light him and how to make him look good. One of the things that was interesting was when we started off we kind of took our typical approach of really art directing the lighting, like rim, rim, rim, you know super stylized. And he really looked fake and kind of popped out. And what we found is that we ended up having to kind of flatten out his lighting to get him to sit in there with the rest of the Avengers. So I think after learning things like that, you know we could – if you’re talking about a TV schedule and how fast you need to turn around production, it would be a matter of, you know trying to build off everything we did for the movie and then, you know get him in there, get him lit. You wouldn’t have time to do the – you know all the really detailed shape, you know per frame corrections that we do.”
Since the Avengers’ Hulk is one of the most sophisticated visual effects of the entire movie, with CGI and motion capture used in a majority of Ruffalo‘s scenes as Hulk, fans are going to expect the same kind of treatment on television. Seeing another actor get painted green and appear once or twice an episode just doesn’t quite cut it anymore, so what kind of quality can we expect?
“I think that would be one of the big challenges. How do you turn that much animation around and still have it be believable? Because there is like animation, then simulation then, you know sort of hand correction after that. And I think where we found the biggest time suck ends up being is all the facial work, getting the eyes to look right and then how much that changes once you start lighting him.”
It all come down to the body type, as The Avengers Hulk was designed specifically for Ruffalo’s body and facial features. Sure, Marvel has the access and knowledge to use the current modeling of the Hulk on TV, but unless Ruffalo signs onto the series (which is highly unlikely) the current character models, motions and emotions are effectively useless. And even with these issues are somehow miraculously sorted out, the main issue is going to be the quality of the character.
White does mention that the TV effects team could possibly “youngify” the Hulk model, saving both the shows budget and visual effects time, but the character would still have to be based on an entirely different actor.
“[Even if you could youngify him], it would still be a challenge because you’d really have to put some thought and design work into it. For us, some of the hardest shots were not Hulk or Banner but what does he look like when he’s half-way there because on one you have a reference of a real guy and on the other you have all this artwork and then half-way in between there’s this weird amalgamation of how much brow and how much cheek and what do his eyes look like. For us, those were some of the more difficult shots was figuring out the half-way in between. Especially because Joss didn’t just want the transformations to be like either a slider or a guy who is a balloon. So that ended up being quite difficult.”
There’s no doubt that should this project go forward, which many of us are hoping, the visual effects team is going to having a taxing amount of work ahead of them. Unless these problems are addressed first and foremost, the conflict between great visuals and what’s practical will always be present.
And seeing as ABC is also currently working with Marvel on the S.H.I.E.L.D. television series, everyone is going to want to stay on their “A” game – that is, if they want another Hulk film once Avengers 2 hits theaters May 1st, 2015.
It’s no secret that the nerdbastards crew hated, with a passion Louis Leterrier’s remake of Clash of the Titans. Not only did it butt fuck the original 80’s version but it completely raped the ideology of the mythology. It was an unbearable, soulless, disaster that perverts literature and the very idea of story telling. Regardless of how bad it was, it made a lot of money. And thus, where there is money there is the inevitable sequel.
Much to our dismay, Warner Bros. and Legendary Pictures are in fact moving forward with a sequel to Clash of the Titans. The studio has hired director Jonathan Liebsman to develop the film. Liebsman’s work include films such as the upcoming Battle: Los Angeles, The Killing Room, and Darkness Falls. OK, not a bad director but still.
Scribing (that’s insider talk for writing a script) the film will “Greg Berlanti, one of the writers of Green Lantern, Dan Mazeau, who worked for Warners on The Flash and Jonny Quest, and David Leslie Johnson, writer of Red Riding Hood. Gee, not one, not two, but 3 writers? Anyone over at Warner Bros. hear the term “2’s company 3’s a crowd”? Given that not one of these guys has any previous solid writing cred it’s not hopeful that they will develop a good story and script. But, I could be wrong.
There is some slight good news. Warner Bros. wants to do a better job with the 3D this time around. They plan on shooting the film in 3d instead of converting it. Eh, at least that’s a plus, right?
What do you guys thing? Are you at all excited about this? Clearly, we are not. The studio dropped the ball with the first one and it’s unlikely they will redeem themselves with a second.
It’s no secret that the nerdbastards crew hated, with a passion Louis Leterrier’s remake of Clash of the Titans. I think our Twitter update said it best. “Not only does it butt fuck the original but it completely rapes the ideology of the mythology”. If you are going to deviate from the myth of Perseus, which had no need for variation, as it’s deep in philosophy and tragedy then at least give us a refined version of the much beloved 80’s one. The original is a classic! It had heart, romance, soul, humor, sweetness, nobility, overall feeling of adventure. It had deeply involved characters and a well written story. Whats to change? All they had to do was give it a modern update. Swap out the claymation characters for CGI and job done, you can go home. The new versions had NONE of this. No, instead we got an unbearable, soulless, disaster that perverts literature and the very idea of story telling. Before we go ranting off into another review it’s sufficed to say Clash of the Titans 2010 was simply awful. What’s interesting, though, is the movie was actually shot with something totally different in mind. Wha, wha, what? Apparently there was a cut of the film that never made it to the big screen. This cut of the film was a dramatically different story, had different romantic relationships, more gods and altered motivations. For whatever reason some asshat(s) decided to leave all this material on the cutting room floor. All the stuff that got hacked and slashed could have saved this clusterfuck of a flick. IDIOTS!!
Devin from CHUD , in his in depth analysis of the film tells us what we unfortunately didn’t get to see. Here are a few bullet points from Devin. (Warning: Spoilers)
- Danny Huston was cast as Poseidon in the film but didn’t really have anything to do with the story because nearly two thirds of the business with the gods was edited out of the film.
- Zeus is the bad guy in the original cut of the film. It’s his fault that the humans have turned against the Olympians. The younger generation of gods are afraid, realizing that Zeus’ mismanagement has led them to a serious crossroads in their history, and that if they don’t take action, they’ll lose all their power.
- The relationship between Io and Perseus was more of a brother and sister relationship in the original cut, not romantic at all! He actually had a romantic relationship with Andromeda in it! Making his quest much more different and more meaningful than the one we saw in the theatrical version.
- In the original version of the cut Zeus never came down to help Perseus. That made no sense at all to me while watch the film. Instead, it was Apollo, Perseus’ half-brother who comes in to give Perseus a hand. He does this because he understands that Hades is playing Zeus and that all of the Olympians are heading for a big fall.